Likebright podcast with Online Dating InsiderIts been a long time since I did a podcast so today I hopped on Skype with Nick Soman and Richard Luck of Likebright, a new social dating startup out of Seattle. Likebright launched out of TechStars. You know who else launched from TechStars? Ignighter, recently renamed StepOut, the fastest-growing dating site in India (TechStars 2008, $4.22M in venture capital raised to date).

In today’s episode with Likebright we talk about social dating, how dating sites are leveraging Facebook, social exhaust, vouching, social mirrors, friends matching friends, predictions for dating in 2012 and much more.

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    Need ASAP: Size Of Niche Dating Market

    by David Evans on January 24, 2012 in Dating Research

    A major media outlet is doing a a piece about niche dating sites and is hoping to offer a sense of the size of the niche dating site market. Anyone who has statistics about the size of the niche market (Comscore stats on niche sites, revenue projections, relevant market research) should to contact me ASAP, deadline imminent.

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      During a Skype chat with Sam Moorcroft of Christiancafe.com yesterday, he mentioned that they received a great shout-out on Britain’s Got Talent. Referencing Simon’s Cowell’s break with fiance ­Mezhgan Hussainy, when a pair of contestants said they had met on a website called Christiancafe.com, host David Walliams  said: “There you go Simon, you could find a wife on there.”This is a good as a free plug as you’re going to get on television. Read more.

      Match and eHarmony spend millions on tv ads, OkCupid has a deal with Bravo and POF spent a few hundred grand to be in a recent Lady Gaga video. Wonder how much traffic these efforts drive to the sites, or is it more about brand lift/awareness?

       

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        Online Dating Summit Barcelona March 2012Here’s an update from the Online Dating Summit organizers. In addition to the CEO’s of WhiteLabelDating.com, Dating Factory, Mamboo, Mamba, Mail.ru Love, Twoo, and Smooch, Walter and Andreas have been able to add the following companies.

        • Markus Frind, the CEO of PlentyOfFish
        • Cecilia Francoli Belinchon, the Head of Marketing for Microsoft Advertising (MSN Dating & Personals)
        • Samir El-Alami, the Affiliate Manager of Badoo
        • Esther Camanes, Account Manager Spain for Yahoo!
        • Elizabeth Wasserman, the CEO of Mate1
        • Dr. Robert Wuttke, the CEO of be2 and C-date
        • Brandon Wade, the CEO of SeekingArrangement.com and WhatsYourPrice.com
        • Julian Keenaghan, Co-Founder of Tastebuds.fm
        • Alex Parish, Co-Founder of Tastebuds.fm

        Full Speaker List.

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          kismeet engage.com shuts downHere’s a cautionary tale for all you online dating startups trying to out-Thread Thread. Part history lesson, part obituary, this one’s for the 10+ startups working in the  social  dating space.

          In recent years, the dating industry has focused first on niche sites, then it was all about mobile, and now the industry’s newcomers are focusing on social dating. While there are already countless ways to discover new people on the interweb such as millions of blogs, Twitter, forums, newsgroups, email newsletter discussions and so on, everyone is hot on social dating. Why? Two reasons, lower customer acquisition costs and *potentially* faster growth via viral effects and hopefully higher effectiveness due to some people finally starting to understand the power of trust, reputation and vouching systems.

          As for history, remember that Match had a social dating feature in 2002. Engage was another early site focused on an early form of social dating.

          Now we have everyone jumping on the social dating bandwagon. Social dating takes the best K-factor (viral) growth know-how from Facebook, adds a dash of vouching for friends, a pinch of testimonials and some basic technology to match each other up. It may lead to a friendship, or a hookup, depending on the focus of the service. Profiles tend to be more dynamic, the crowd younger, and nobody pays for anything (yet). As social dating evolves, this definition will no doubt be refined, but we have to start somewhere. Leave a comment if you have something to add to it.

          Here’s the conundrum, a social dating site is only as good as its members. If lots of people are highly engaged the site has a better chance at taking off. If people try it, then bounce after a while when the new car smell has gone away, the site isn’t going to do very well and the churn monster rears its ugly head. Then there’s the whole topic of how to you get people to pay for something on Facebook.

          While Myspace is generally for connecting with new people and bands, Facebook is for connecting with people you already know, like college roommates and that girl you dated 10 years ago. Now that Justin Timberlake owns Myspace, there is a clear opening for another discovery service for friendship and dating (which is where it gets complicated.)

          Reality is that at a self-reported $125 million revenue, Badoo has won the game before the rest of the teams have shown up to the stadium. This depends on how strict your definition of social dating is, and you know how I feel about Badoo. Not enough meaningful interaction with real people, unless you count monetizing hookups and lots of fake profiles, in which case its a blockbuster success. End of story until I meet with Badoo marcom people to get The Real Deal, or at least the party line for their sanitized US efforts.

          But first, lets go back a few years for some perspective. When I started the Corante (world’s first blog network) Dating and Discovery Advisory Service in 2005, social discovery was the tip of the spear for our efforts. One of my first clients in the dating space was Engage, the granddaddy of social dating as its defined today. I’ve written a ton about them, use the search function on this blog to dive down that rabbit for a history lesson if you’re interested.

          In short, Engage was the first big site to have separate profiles for men and women. Dr. John Grey (Men are from Mars…) worked on the site along with Trish McDermott, who was a driving force for Match early on and now working for another dating site.

          Engage was about friends matching friends, leaderboards, non-singles matching other singles and some potentially interesting functionality. Not to mention a clean slate and loads of cash to spend.

          The founder, a smart serial entrepreneur, made a series of missteps, trusting expensive design/interaction firms to make things pretty and function like people *supposedly* wanted, and ended up with a so-so looking site that was fairly complicated, featured awkward social features (by today’s standards) and most of all they didn’t grok that its all about ad spend when it comes to starting a dating site.

          To top it off, consider how difficult it is to get your friends to introduce you to their single friends. As a professional single person, I’ve resorted to an incentive of two round-the-world airplane tickets if you introduce me to my wife.

          And these new companies think that people will flock to their services to hook up their friends? The jury is out on that one and will be for a while.

          Of course some sites go viral and blow up big time, but that list is short and those companies exist in rarified air that most entrepreneurs can only dream of breathing.

          Ok, so lets talk about Engage. After blowing through something like $6 million, Engage sputtered to a halt and was acquired by Spark Networks. Anyone who knows anything about the dating industry knows where this is going…

          Spark Networks did absolutely nothing with Kismeet. For moths, if not years, I never received an email from the service, then all of a sudden, boom, emails started trickling in, and then nothing, for months at a time. Sad, because the service had such promise, but it required evolution and lots of care and feeding to grow, and Spark was unable to or chose not to provide enough resources to grow the Kismeet brand. Throwing out the Engage name and replacing it with Kismeet was the first mistake and things went downhill from there.

          Fast forward to today and my inbox has a notice from Spark that Kismeet is closing its doors. Sad but not surprising. I think the acquisition price was around $300k, but I may be way off on that. Engage obviously sweet-talked Spark into the deal, and Spark payed the price, literally. No idea how much Spark made off of Kismeet, but judging by the lack of communication with members, I’m thinking not very much.

          Now Spark is trying to transition Kismeet members to  JDate, Christian Mingle and Spark.com. These three services are likely the breadwinners in the Spark portfolio of dating sites. I wonder how many people are going to take the leap?

          And so, we bid a sad Adieu to Kizmeet, the greatest social dating site that was ultimately unable to reach that beautiful point where thousands of people are flooding the front door each and every day.

          To the myriad dating startups trying to replicate and improve on the 7-year-old Engage model, please contact me and lets do this right so don’t have to write your obituary in a few years. Your investors, family and most importantly your customers will be glad you did.

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            Eflirt Expert and The Professional Wingman getting marriedCongratulations are in order to Laurie Davis, better known as eFlirt Expert, and Thomas Edwards, The Professional Wingman. The two have announced they are getting hitched! I’ve known Laurie and Thomas for years, and I’m so happy that I introduced them to each other :-)

            If that weren’t enough great news, Thomas was featured in a recent Wall Street Journal in an article about wingmen (wing-people?).

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              new nerve dating site

              After a bummer of a sale to FriendFinder Networks, which has proven adept at killing off perfectly good acquisitions, Nerve.com has launched a new dating site.

              Many people, myself included, consider Nerve/SpringStreet to have been the best “first wave” dating site. Anyone who knows me personally knows how much I like OkCupid and Match, which I tend to write about more than any other sites, but thats because they are doing more than any other sites! Lots of contenders to round out the top five of course, thats for another post.

              Speaking of Nerve Personals/FastCupid, back in 2006 I learned that if you spend 100 points a day you become a featured member on search page or that if you spend 2000 points you get your profile highlighted for one month. Sounds like Badoo, right?

              Look at eHarmony trying to be all hip and cool. This is what a brand expert would call brand dissonance.

              According to Urban Dictionary, The Wingman will always be there to “occupy” least attractive girl of the pair so that you may engage in the “hotty”. If it didn’t say eHarmony, I would have guessed the ad was for HowAboutWe. No word if eHarmony also acts as a “pre-wing“.

              Christianmingle facebook ad

              Look at this Christian Mingle ad. Cute “Church Girls” that look like they just got out of Bible study class and decided to sit in each other’s laps for a while, how nice. Proves that Christian sites are no different from any other dating sites and will do whatever it takes for more clicks.

              Students in The iSchool at Drexel, College of Information Science and Technology completed a study that takes a closer look at the success stories of online daters. Reminds me of the Online Booty Call claim from years ago, “Reaching the one million member mark with only a single reported marriage is a tremendous accomplishment.”

              A summary of what they found:

              1.       eHarmony – Success = marriage (in 84 percent of success stories reported on the site)

              2.       Match.com – Success = dating (49.2 percent of success stories are about getting a date)

              3.       OkCupid –  Success = something other than marriage (only 23 percent of success stories on this site are about marriage)

              eharmony ad

              Moonit’s new Social iPhone App is free and offers valuable insights into your romantic relationships. Users can view their percentage compatibility and a short, entertaining paragraph of tangible advice on what to appreciate, what to look out for, and what to work on for that particular pairing.

              After receiving their relationship compatibility results, users can continue the dialogue by chatting with each other using the messaging functionality right inside the app and make plans to meet up in person.

              RedLightCenter.com, the world’s premier adult virtual world, and UtherConvention.com, the world’s only convention planning and execution company that holds fully interactive virtual conventions, announced they will join together to host the first-ever Adult Entertainment Virtual Convention on Feb. 25 and 26, 2012. Event organizers confirmed this week that Seka (talk about old-school!), the mega-porn star of the 1970s and 80s, will be speaking at the Expo.

              Work at OkCupid: They have been growing rapidly, and their team needs the best and brightest to help solve some of the most challenging problems in the field. Want to join ’em?

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                Peak Break-up Times on Facebook

                by David Evans on January 6, 2012 in Dating Research

                Peak breakup times on facebook Read Peak breakup times on Facebook. Harsh! Via Soul2Match.

                 

                 

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                  Zoosk Claims 50 Million Members

                  by David Evans on January 5, 2012 in Traffic

                  50 million singles on ZooskDating site are getting a little too comfortable announcing the total number of members over the lifetime of the service in their marketing pitches instead of say users active in the last 30 days.

                  I feel like a crotchety old man having to write this same blog post every month or two, but When Zoosk says 50,000,000 singles, are those recent logins, active profiles in the last year, or profiles in their database going back to 2007?

                  I wonder how many active people on Zoosk you can email and hear from today without the other person paying to read your email. What do you think, 500,000 profiles? More or less?

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                    The First Success Story Of Free Online Dating

                    by David Evans on December 30, 2011 in Dating Sites

                    Today’s guest post is by Jeff Kauflin, who is writing a book about online dating. An article he wrote about the Match.com founder Gary Kremen recently appeared in Business Insider. Jeff is also Director of Operations at Marketing Evolution, a marketing consulting firm in Manhattan. He can be reached at kauflin@gmail.com.

                    In early 1995, before Match.com and eHarmony.com were live on the web, before 90 percent of Americans had Internet access, an online-dating site called AmericanSingles.org was up and running. Dan Bender, a self-taught software developer and jack of many trades, had the idea to start a free dating website.

                    American Singles launched on February 14, 1995. According to Bender, it was only the second online-dating site to go live in the U.S. And just two years after its launch, American Singles often landed in the top 30 of the world’s most trafficked websites.

                    Born in Heidelberg, Germany, Bender moved with his family to Southern California when he was three. “For various reasons, I was not the average kid,” he recalls. He was a loner, not into sports, and a lifelong vegetarian. In school he carried around a leather bag to hold his books, which was typical for Germans, but not for Americans, who usually carried their books in their arms. “That damn bag was a constant source of teasing, and it was frequently taken or hidden from me,” Bender says. Yet he didn’t stop using it. Bender never felt compelled to change, and he carried this approach for the rest of his life.

                    Bender was a late bloomer to the dating world; he didn’t get started until his 20’s. His nonconformist nature made it particularly difficult for him to meet women, so he decided to try his luck at video dating services, newspaper personals, and then Prodigy, the online service that pre-dated the web and once competed with AOL. On Prodigy, he met his wife.

                    Meanwhile, Bender had been pursuing an eclectic career spanning various fields, including broadcasting, real estate management, and computer consulting. In the early 1990s, he began considering computer-based dating as an area for a business opportunity, so he took on software development projects in the industry. First, he worked at a 900-number dating service for swingers. When that company imploded, he worked for Connection magazine, a swingers publication. Bender “wasn’t thrilled” about working in such a risqué niche, but these companies had the database technology he was interested in. Later he worked in database development at Helena VIP, a Hollywood-based Jewish matchmaker that charged customers from $5,000 to $50,000.

                    While exploring the dating industry as both a user and a developer, Bender saw weaknesses in the available services, as they were often expensive and ineffective. He thought there must be a better way. And then… the World Wide Web appeared.

                    Bender quickly recognized an opportunity. In late 1994, he went to San Francisco to meet Rich Gosse, the man who owned the largest nonprofit singles organization in the country. Founded back in 1978 as American Singles Education, Gosse’s nonprofit aimed to help people find love by offering classes, organizing singles events, and distributing a personals newsletter.

                    When Bender pitched the online-dating website idea, Gosse was sold. Soon they adopted both the name and the nonprofit nature of Gosse’s organization for AmericanSingles.org. Bender liked the idea of launching a free site, because he thought a membership fee would intensify the social stigma. He had heard people say, “If I have to spend money to find love, then there must be something wrong with me.”

                    Shortly after it hit the web, American Singles grew rapidly. Bender and Gosse paid the bills through a combination of user donations and advertising, and for periods of time, they brought in $20,000 in donations per month.

                    Bender was running the show tirelessly. But his friends and family, including his wife, were telling him he should stop wasting his time, give up his hobby, and get a real job. They called him stupid for not charging customers.

                    Their opinions didn’t affect him. “I lost not a second of sleep because I knew instinctively that I was right,” Bender says. The site was growing every day, and users seemed satisfied. He kept reminding people of his strategy: “Fill the stadium for free. Sell ‘em peanuts.” Nothing could make him stray from his vision, just as nothing could keep the young Bender from carrying his leather bag. To him, it just made sense.

                    Bender was working 100-hour weeks to handle the site’s growth. Sometimes, if the site’s servers crashed, he would take the 30-minute drive to Cleveland at 2:00 A.M. to reset them. Although Bender found the endeavor exciting, it was also overwhelming.

                    Marketing was another critical ingredient in Bender’s recipe for growth. Gosse had thousands of contacts in the media, and his efforts generated national press coverage for American Singles. By 1999, without having spent any money on paid advertising, their site boasted 250,000 personal ads, a huge number by industry standards. And it had made at least 10,000 love connections, or what Bender called “happy endings”—users asking for their ads to be removed because they had met someone and were in a committed relationship.

                    As the late 1990s approached, Bender had his head down, buried “in the operational sand.” He was sending 500 emails per day to provide prompt customer service. He knew little about the competitive landscape. Then one day, MatchNet, the owner of JDate.com, approached American Singles in an attempt to buy them out.

                    Bender says he became somewhat caught up in the frenzy of the Internet bubble in 1999, as he began to entertain the MatchNet offer. Gosse thought it was time to cash out, because the other major player in online dating, Match.com, had a strong user base, much more money to burn, and was poised to dominate the category. In May 1999, they sold American Singles as part of deal to MatchNet for $3.6 million.

                    Bender is about as fair and generous as they come, perhaps to a fault. Although he had come up with the idea for their business and invested the most time into it, he had asked Gosse and an attorney named Will Knedlik to join as equal partners, which meant they split the $3.6 million equally between the three of them.

                    Today, Bender deeply regrets the sale. “Had the site been developed to the next level, I think it could easily have sold for $10 million or more a year later,” he says. It pains him to see the current success of PlentyOfFish.com, the free site with more page views than any other online-dating site in the country. “That’s where American Singles should be today! Instead of a memory from the past.” American Singles’ parent company, which changed its name from MatchNet to Spark Networks in 2005, retired the site in 2009 in a strategic shift to focus on its niche dating sites.

                    But since American Singles, Gosse and Bender’s lives have been far from boring. Gosse began organizing events for “cougars”—adult women who are attracted to younger men (“cubs”). His “Cougar Cruises” are extremely popular; they often have a waiting list for “cubs” eager to get aboard. Meanwhile, Bender has become an avid world traveler. Recently he refreshed his video production skills; he’s now in line to work on two documentary projects.

                    Bender doesn’t see a future for himself in online dating, neither professionally nor personally. He says the technical complexity and marketing costs involved in launching a site today are too tough to overcome.

                    And a few years ago, Bender had the opportunity to join the many customers he once served. After going through a divorce, he signed up for Match.com. He didn’t reach a “happy ending,” as he was plagued by the “kid in the candy store effect.” But he doesn’t expect online dating to work for everyone. “No one size fits all,” he says.

                    Despite Bender’s plans not to reenter the industry, he’s grateful for its positive social impact. “It gives the shy wallflower the option to get into the dating game,” he says, admitting that he once counted himself among that group. And Bender sees online dating as a “needed tool for singles from different cultures, regions and lifestyles.” It allows people to connect based on limitless criteria, and for a broad-minded nonconformist like Bender, that’s the biggest win of all.

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