Today’s guest post is from Sam Moorcroft, co-founder and President of ChristianCafe.com. Sam has been around the online dating industry for many years and his straight-talk and openness and success make him one of the most successful and approachable people in the online dating industry.
Having been in the online dating space for over 10 years gives you a unique perspective. I am sure my colleagues, Meir and Kris from Date.com, can relate (they’ve been around longer than I). I always get a kick out of the dire predictions which come and go, such how the subscription model is dead and “free†will be king, or some new innovation, which is always just around the corner, is going to put us in the poor house.
The fact remains that what we do meets a biological imperative. While how we operate will no doubt change, as technology increases & consumer expectations rise, that fundamental need will always be there. As the expression goes, “Plus ça change plus c’est la même chose”.
That being said, this business has become tougher over the years, and only the truly strong are surviving. New entrants seem to pop up constantly – then disappear a few months later. Perhaps we make it look too easy or natural for those outside looking in, who then decide they can carve out a piece for themselves. However, this isn’t 1999, it is 2009.
People think that because they have some nifty idea (their “killer app”), sites like ChristianCafe.com are doomed. What really counts isn’t tons of cool features or a flashy interface; rather, it is critical mass. You have to have enough members who consider your site worthwhile enough that they could actually meet someone, to then open up their wallets and give you some of their hard-earned money. That seems obvious, but I am forever amazed at the mentality of some, who figure it is something else.
It is other things, of course: things like knowing what your ROI is on your daily traffic, what your members do inside your site, what they like and what they don’t, and then constantly tweaking, experimenting, and often-times losing (a lot of) money by trying new things.
The ability to absorb losses because you have decent cash flow is critical. New entrants typically lack cash (ad buys are very expensive), but, more importantly, they lack experience, which you can only get by living, breathing, and sleeping this business. We worked 100 hours a week for years to get to where we are now. Simply put, it is a lot of work, no matter what anyone (ahem, Marcus Frind) will tell you. Those of us who are successful work hard and are never not thinking about our respective businesses.
Having smart staff with long tenures cannot be over-valued. Our average staff tenure is seven years. That figure would be higher, but is being pulled down by staff additions in the past four years. Half of our staff are blood relatives, so longevity makes sense. However, not all families have smart people. We like to think that our does:-) The rest of our staff we regard as family. We do our best to treat them all well, keep them challenged (which isn’t hard; it is the nature of this business), and let them excel at what they do best.
Another key success factor for ChristianCafe.com is that we target a niche market. Granted, Christian singles are a large niche (in the US), but ours is a niche within that. Specifically, we target those Christians who do not, can not, or will not date outside their faith. Those who do would find themselves at home at Match.com or another generic site. We knew right from the beginning that targeting a broader audience would have a tough time succeeding, because of a lack of differentiation. What is the difference between one generic site and another?
A more perhaps subtle differentiator is that we are the only major Christian dating site which is also Christian owned-and-operated. We know that our competitors realise the importance of this: one goes out of their way to hide themselves from their Christian members. Another is careful to keep quiet about other markets they attract which their Christian members would find offensive. We view this as a major competitive advantage and aren’t shy about sharing it.
I recently did an interview with a Christian magazine, whose focus was on the “proliferation of Christian dating sitesâ€. I corrected the reporter by saying that she had it backwards. It should be on “the consolidation of Christian dating sitesâ€. This is a trend I see happening across the online dating world. As the industry matures, and becomes harder to survive, you are going to see more and more of this. A recent example is Match.com’s transaction with Meetic in Europe.
One of the things we have been doing for several years is absorbing smaller competitors. Some get out of the game completely, while others continue to operate, chiefly from affiliate revenue earned from sending their non-converting traffic to us. It sounds counter-intuitive, but it actually works for both parties, who are otherwise competitors.
As announced June 01, 2009, Single Christian Network (SCN) merged its database of members into ChristianCafe.com. SCN will now focus all its energies on marketing, now that their time previously spent running the actual business has been freed up, by effectively outsourcing all of that to us. It is a win-win-win scenario: they make, we make, and both our memberships benefit from increased choice.
Beyond what we detailed in our joint press release is confidential, as you might expect. I may be known as being forthright and more open than most, but some things have to remain close to my chest ;-)
We look forward to working with other direct competitors in the near future, as things consolidate even more. If you are one of those, we’d love to talk!
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Thanks for the guest post Sam I’m happy to hear about your story. I’m glad it sounds like the merger with SCN is going well! I think you’re absolutely right that working on these sites takes an immense amount of work and dedication. There have been innumerable sites I’ve come across that their owners have simply abandoned. It isn’t a get rich quick world.
Thank you for the kind words Dave. I think that your insight into what makes a site successful is on the mark. Very nice analysis, especially given the fact that you are only a baby dinosaur :)
I just re-read the post… Sam, did you write the entire post? Thank you for the kind words.
Umm, yeah, Meir (wake up:). The part at the top where it says
\Today’s guest post is from Sam Moorcroft\ – that’d be me;-)
Merging a dating site, why this happen?
I see a lot of posts about Christian dating sites on this blog. Just wondering – is Dave Evans a Christian?
I am sure Christian dating posts are in proportion to their presence online.
Would it offend your casual sex sensibilities if Dave was one of us?
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Just reading this, about a year after it was posted… and I believe what Sam has to say is truer than ever.
Thanks for a fantastic post. I also agree that the niche vs. the general approach (i.e. Christian Cafe compared to Match) has its strengths and weaknesses. The niche approach can be REALLY powerful for those only interested in seeking matches within the same ethnic/religious/etc backgrounds. But there are some weaknesses as well. Just because someone technically fits the same background, doesn’t mean they’re willing to pigeonhole themselves. So the issue might be – how do you attract someone who technically fits the demographic, but doesn’t want to restrict their dating ONLY to that demographic, to join that niche dating site.
Being that I have been on the consumer end of online dating since 2000 I have quite an opposing view. I think free sites like OkCupid will put an end to giants such as Match and eHarmony and possibly any pay sites. It’s the era of social networking. With apps on phones, twitter, and Facebook linking your outside world to just about anything you do online it’s not a surprise that dating sites will have to make the transition to keep up, or fail by trying to add new, unnecessary, features that raises the monthly subscription. My two best friends met through social networking, for free, and are celebrating their 3 year anniversary this year. I, myself, have found better prospects through applications on Facebook than I ever have through an online dating site, free or subscription. Bottom line is that there is change in the wind and I’m on the forefront of that change. I have a unique vision that could possibly revolutionize the way we date, online and offline, forever. It’ll be nice to have some accountability for the way we date. Have a happy fiscal year, it’ll most likely be your last. >:-D ~F.M.
FM, sounds like you have a free dating site you’re going to build on top of Twitter or Facebook with some accountability as well, which I wholeheartedly support. My standard warning: Remember to go get a big pile of money, otherwise your site is never going to take off, regardless of how great you think it is. Let us know how it goes.
Thanks for the positive feedback! The basic service will be free, with the ability to interact with other users. Without divulging any of my ideas, the payment options will be like none you’ve ever seen and it will have the ability to link to the above mentioned sites, and others, but will also mimic certain features of certain sites that I have come across. My Ace up my sleeve is what is ground breaking and God willing will do a great service to humanity. Hint: It’s not dating related!
What was it I said in my post? Oh yes, “People think that because they have some nifty idea (their “killer app”), sites like ChristianCafe.com are doomed”
Frank’s killer app is “a unique vision that could possibly revolutionize the way we date, online and offline, forever”
Uh huh. Promises, promises :) Remind me to pack my stuff.
It’s not Frank by the way, but thanks for playing… Game over though! >:-D
Plus, stop trying to think you know what it is that I’m developing it only makes you look ignorant! I say and mean that with nothing but respect.
My idea isn’t a website, app, it’s not even a dating site… Those are just the mediums, the tools, to manifest and deliver what will soon constitute a standard across the board for the way people date. I’m not saying that everyone on Earth is going to do it, probably not even America or the state I live in, that would be naive and pompous of me. I do believe that enough people will that it would constitute my claim that it will revolutionize the dating scene. It’s a concept, not a product, a mindset so be it, that I sell and people have secretly been waiting for something like what I have to offer.
Fetal Mistake: For one, you do realize the word is “fatal,” right? Fetal is an unborn child.
That said, I disagree with your posts. People have been meeting in colleges, churches, through friends etc for centuries, yet somehow online dating has gotten big. I also don’t agree that free sites are going to replace paid ones. Many people have the impression that free sites have a lower quality of people or that their members are not looking for long term relationships. (I’m not stating whether that’s a true or false statement, merely expressing beliefs that I’ve heard.)
So the end result, in my opinion, online dating is here to stay. Whether it’s via the web, smart phone, or chips in our head, some form of database assisted dating will remain for a long time to come.
As for linking multiple data sites into a “meta profile” good luck with that. Yes, it would be great if there was a “travelocity” of online dating, but the biggest problem, is you’ll never get Match.com or eHarmony to open their databases to you. And considering I believe those are the two largest sites in the US at least, you’ll be operating at a disadvantage.
I think the industry is ripe for a change… but so far you’ve just taken some potshots with absolutely no substance.
People are already using Zoosk, Grindr (sp?), Areyouinterested, Cheek’d, How About We and so many other things. I disagree that any one of these in particular is going to kill Match’s 1.7 million paid members any time soon. Perhaps they might lose some of their members — but they’ve survived a recession without losing many members — I think beating them is an uphill battle.
@Ross, yes I am highly literate! That is word play there in case you’re not familiar. It’s fine that the masses won’t agree but I implore you to check this out http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/why-you-should-never-pay-for-online-dating/ before you go subscribing to any pay dating site. Plus, OkCupid by far has to be the best dating site I have ever been on and it’s only getting better!
lmao @ “chips in our heads”.
I don’t even want to get started on the web abominations you mentioned in that last paragraph. Actually, I vomited a little in my mouth as I read it!
My idea isn’t anything like what you think it is and I don’t expect a lot of cooperation in the beginning. It isn’t even much of a dating site per say, but what it is is… well, if I told you that Murphy’s Law states 10 web sites with my idea will pop up online in 5 minutes from now! So with that said, cool your jets, booster and don’t get your panties in a frizzle, I’m not out to steal numbers just hold them accountable for their dating habits! And I have the perfect virtual drug to get them to try it and become so addicted that they’ll wonder how they ever even lived without it before! Happy dating!
Mr. Mistake. Over the years we’ve heard all the new ideas, the Match/eHArmony/OKCupid killers, the matching algorithms, the social features, the bolt-it-onto-facebook sites, and much more.
Judging by the tone of your messages and the verbiage, you’re probably an idealist too smart for your own good. This is a common theme here, so lets wait for your service to launch and then we’ll let the public decide if a) you had a good idea and b) if it’s the right time for it.
The free vs. paid dating argument is old and over. There will always be variations of both. Even the paid dating companies agree with this. We don’t care if you agree or disagree, just go built whatever it is you have in mind, and we’ll see what happens. Anything else is just noise. Over and out, I gotta go tune the chip in my head.
Heard Sam from OK Cupid speak last night. He’s pretty convinced that he can do a pretty solid job of taking over the business within the next 3 years. I’m not saying I agree with him, but he’s got a three highly educated guys over there.
As for OK Cupid, I won’t argue. It’s one of the best sites out there. Before OK Cupid, a different site was the best one out there. It’s the way things work.
As for being a data aggregator or some sort of “travelocity” for dating. Good luck with that, if that’s your goal. Dave Evans has only talked about a “meta-dating” site about 5 times over the past few years. The biggest issue isn’t even the ability to get the profiles from all of the various sources. In some respects, that’s the easy part. The downside is if you aggregate a Match.com profile, I still need to be a Match.com member to write to that person… SO… unless you can get Match to let you send a message to a Match member on a “pay per action” format, I think you’ll have trouble.
But most importantly, enough of this futility talking about our fatal mistakes — get off your ass, get your product out there, and stop hiding behind an anonymous ID. Until then, we won’t know whether your product with be the new darling baby in the industry, or just an abortion. (You’re not the only one who can play on words.)
p.s. As for someone stealing your ideas, I prefer a quote from Howard Aiken (American computer engineer and mathematician) “Don’t worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you’ll have to ram them down people’s throats.”
Ross, great insights, as usual.
Re: Sam Yagan from OKCupid – he’s a smart guy and has a snazzy dating site. However, before taking over the business (if you mean becoming the top free dating site – and putting paid to paid dating, if I can use a pun here), he first needs to catch up to Markus and POF. OKC is only a fraction of POF’s size. He’s the Apple of dating and Markus is the PC.
And, he needs to put a serious dent into that $300M or so each that eHarmony and Match are generating each and every year – not to mention all the other sites earning decent revenue, whether large or small.
Back to our new friend Michael Kamen (aka retro-abortion) here: please tell us your invention is actually beneficial. That Segway thing was a bust.
“OKC is only a fraction of POF’s size. He’s the Apple of dating and Markus is the PC”- perfect analogy.
Sam:
Thanks, I appreciate the comments as always. I’m not judging whether or not OK Cupid will “take over,” merely loosely quoting a comment he made last night at a Meetup group in NYC. Only time will tell what he’ll do and what others will do.
As for Match, according to Sam (Yagan), is known to 90% of the singles in US, which he said was approximately 40 million people. (He was quoting researched statistics, but I don’t have the sources.) Match has two choices to make more revenue as I see them – 1) Improve conversion rates 2) Improve their ability to earn money from the non-paid members. I believe they tried this with Stir and Downtoearth (both of which failed). So, while they’re doing a REALLY solid business, with the exception of acquisitions or improved conversion rates, they’re going to have trouble growing further.
As for the rest, eHarmony has had its PR problems, Spark Networks is having its problems trying to grow its non-JDate brands, POF is diluting its brand (I think) with it’s eVow…. All the while, OK Cupid does seem to be getting stronger, not weaker. Other new sites are popping up, but are they going to retain users or just experience a rush of new members who leave the site two months later?
My question would be though — what happens when we exit the recession. It’s my understanding (based anecdotes, not facts) that prior to the recession, OK Cupid catered more towards younger daters, or those not looking for a serious relationship and/or marriage. I think OKC benefited from the recession by having people join the site that wouldn’t have previously joined. I wonder if that trend will continue after the recession ends, or whether people will go back to paid sites.
That said, something definitely needs to be done in relation to how the industry’s freemium models operate. Personally, I believe that there needs to be more transparency.
Sorry for the long rant.
Nice rant, though:) None of what you said is known to anyone, as this business keeps changing and evolving. The future is hard to predict even 6-12 months in advance.
Sure, sites like OKCupid may be growing, but what does that have to do with the paid sites? Which of them are losing business to free sites? I have always argued that never the twain shall meet. Well, there *is* some cross-over, but it is tiny.
Those who are serious use paid sites and those less-so use free ones. And, it is not like paid sites cost a lot. We are talking about a potential spouse for what, roughly 30 cents a day (on an annual plan) to a dollar a day (on a monthly plan) for most sites?
Funny how people spend $1.50 to $5.00 on a coffee/latte/whatever drink a day, but can’t find 30 cents to a buck to meet their soul mate! Talk about misplaced priorities.
We are not talking $5,000 annually – online dating isn’t a matchmaking deal.
Once this wretched recession is finally over (a year from now? Two years? Who knows, with this one), you watch what happens to the paid sites (those of us who survived and are super strong): revenue will be terrific.
As for the free ones, there will always be a market for them.
What you need to do to have more traffic for a dating site?
Do you want more traffic or do you want more members?
You can get traffic easily by spamming people, putting up dumb posts everywhere that trick people into coming to your site.
If you’re looking to attract visitors that might actually convert to members: You start with a quality site that is differentiated from your competitors, you target the right audience with good PR, good social media and a lot of ad spend. Finally, you create a good landing page that clearly explains your site and why it’s superior / why they want to join and finally, a sign up process that’s easy to complete.
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