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		<title>By: ohdear</title>
		<link>http://onlinedatingpost.com/archives/2005/09/springstreet_upgrade_saga_continues/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>ohdear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 07:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve used Nerve (which I guess was assimilated into FC) for ages. It worked amazingly well. They went over to this &quot;Various Inc. / Friend Finder&quot; stuff. I was wary, but there were some good ideas there. Nerve Worked. The people are cool. There are still cool people there, I haven&#039;t noticed an exodus -- but there are vocal people there, and they are mad, and it is still spreading.

After some more site snafus (and this as a paying member -- I decided to upgrade, and things improved quite a bit) I ended up googling this mysterious &quot;Various Inc&quot; thing. Jesus, it is sleazy -- they also run all this fake &quot;find a date&quot; crap that&#039;s essentially just pornography. This Andrew character seems to have made a name for himself as a major league sleazeball -- fine, run a porn site, but wow, he really attracts the anonymous slander (of which I guess I am now a part.)

Now I don&#039;t know what to think. I didn&#039;t experience any privacy violations, and the card I used to purchase membership is now expired, so I&#039;m not too worried on that side. But still -- things do not look good for Homestarrunner.

I&#039;m going to stick with Nerve for awhile longer. Major parts of the site still function. But at the first hint of real trouble -- privacy violations, spam, etc. -- I am out, and starting a dispute for the balance of the fees. Listening, Andrew?

In the meantime, I can&#039;t help feel burnt. There are competitors springing (ha) up to nab to hip market (ugh), but I&#039;m like, do I want to go through this crap again? Somebody needs to get some credibility back in the game. I don&#039;t know how. I don&#039;t want Nerve to crash, I want it to succeed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used Nerve (which I guess was assimilated into FC) for ages. It worked amazingly well. They went over to this &#8220;Various Inc. / Friend Finder&#8221; stuff. I was wary, but there were some good ideas there. Nerve Worked. The people are cool. There are still cool people there, I haven&#8217;t noticed an exodus &#8212; but there are vocal people there, and they are mad, and it is still spreading.</p>
<p>After some more site snafus (and this as a paying member &#8212; I decided to upgrade, and things improved quite a bit) I ended up googling this mysterious &#8220;Various Inc&#8221; thing. Jesus, it is sleazy &#8212; they also run all this fake &#8220;find a date&#8221; crap that&#8217;s essentially just pornography. This Andrew character seems to have made a name for himself as a major league sleazeball &#8212; fine, run a porn site, but wow, he really attracts the anonymous slander (of which I guess I am now a part.)</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t know what to think. I didn&#8217;t experience any privacy violations, and the card I used to purchase membership is now expired, so I&#8217;m not too worried on that side. But still &#8212; things do not look good for Homestarrunner.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to stick with Nerve for awhile longer. Major parts of the site still function. But at the first hint of real trouble &#8212; privacy violations, spam, etc. &#8212; I am out, and starting a dispute for the balance of the fees. Listening, Andrew?</p>
<p>In the meantime, I can&#8217;t help feel burnt. There are competitors springing (ha) up to nab to hip market (ugh), but I&#8217;m like, do I want to go through this crap again? Somebody needs to get some credibility back in the game. I don&#8217;t know how. I don&#8217;t want Nerve to crash, I want it to succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Black</title>
		<link>http://onlinedatingpost.com/archives/2005/09/springstreet_upgrade_saga_continues/comment-page-1/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is isn&#039;t about a few users complaing about a new interface. This is users complaining about:

1) Their Mail being lost
2) Their profiles being deleted
3) Previously private information (like birthdates) being revealed
4) Lost credits that had been recently purchased
5) Those credits now being worth half what they used to. I had just purchased 24 credits, with which I could have contacted 24 people. Now, under the new system, I can contact 12 people with that same amount. That was not what I paid for.
6) Removing basic features from people who don&#039;t use the subscriber model. Most sites let you search based on distance from your geographical area. At the new Fast Cupid, you have to be a subscriber to make that basic search. They&#039;ve cripled the site for people who aren&#039;t on the monthly subscription service.
7) There was no warning of these changes. There was a brief note that new features were going to be added. Nothing was said of changing the entire paradigm of the site. 
8) Peoples profiles were changed and merged arbitrarily. They were not given any choices on how to accomplish these changes. And if they had conversations going with people through one of the profiles that was lost. Oh well.
9) I had an actual date disrupted by this changeover, and the loss of all of my emails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is isn&#8217;t about a few users complaing about a new interface. This is users complaining about:</p>
<p>1) Their Mail being lost<br />
2) Their profiles being deleted<br />
3) Previously private information (like birthdates) being revealed<br />
4) Lost credits that had been recently purchased<br />
5) Those credits now being worth half what they used to. I had just purchased 24 credits, with which I could have contacted 24 people. Now, under the new system, I can contact 12 people with that same amount. That was not what I paid for.<br />
6) Removing basic features from people who don&#8217;t use the subscriber model. Most sites let you search based on distance from your geographical area. At the new Fast Cupid, you have to be a subscriber to make that basic search. They&#8217;ve cripled the site for people who aren&#8217;t on the monthly subscription service.<br />
7) There was no warning of these changes. There was a brief note that new features were going to be added. Nothing was said of changing the entire paradigm of the site.<br />
8) Peoples profiles were changed and merged arbitrarily. They were not given any choices on how to accomplish these changes. And if they had conversations going with people through one of the profiles that was lost. Oh well.<br />
9) I had an actual date disrupted by this changeover, and the loss of all of my emails.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://onlinedatingpost.com/archives/2005/09/springstreet_upgrade_saga_continues/comment-page-1/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. A friend mentioned that the old system was replaced by &quot;something clunky and weird,&quot; so I went to check my account. Good thing I met my girlfriend under the old Spring Street version, because if I had to deal with this thing, I&#039;d have just given up. 

Why didn&#039;t they just leave a good, simple system alone? The interface is horrendous and shows a lack of design know-how. 

Oh, and FastCupid people? Translating my &quot;Drink often&quot; to &quot;Drink heavily&quot; might mean the same thing to you, but it doesn&#039;t to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. A friend mentioned that the old system was replaced by &#8220;something clunky and weird,&#8221; so I went to check my account. Good thing I met my girlfriend under the old Spring Street version, because if I had to deal with this thing, I&#8217;d have just given up. </p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t they just leave a good, simple system alone? The interface is horrendous and shows a lack of design know-how. </p>
<p>Oh, and FastCupid people? Translating my &#8220;Drink often&#8221; to &#8220;Drink heavily&#8221; might mean the same thing to you, but it doesn&#8217;t to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Evans</title>
		<link>http://onlinedatingpost.com/archives/2005/09/springstreet_upgrade_saga_continues/comment-page-1/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Othersingles is giving anyone a free 3 day membership who joins OtherSingles and sends an e-mail to Spring2OtherSingles@OtherSingles.com their new OtherSingles member name.

http://www.othersingles.com/springtoothersingles.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Othersingles is giving anyone a free 3 day membership who joins OtherSingles and sends an e-mail to <a href="mailto:Spring2OtherSingles@OtherSingles.com">Spring2OtherSingles@OtherSingles.com</a> their new OtherSingles member name.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.othersingles.com/springtoothersingles.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.othersingles.com/springtoothersingles.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Former Salon User</title>
		<link>http://onlinedatingpost.com/archives/2005/09/springstreet_upgrade_saga_continues/comment-page-1/#comment-584</link>
		<dc:creator>Former Salon User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and for the person who was wondering if people really care.  Try calling Friend Finder at the number below:  You&#039;ll get a message that talks about how their &quot;call volume is abnormally high.&quot; Sounds like happy customers calling to let them know they love what they are getting.

Various Inc (parent company of Friend Finder)
445 Sherman Ave., Ste. C
Palo Alto, CA 94306 
Phone: 650-847-3100 
Fax: 650-324-9379 
Email: billing@friendfinderinc.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and for the person who was wondering if people really care.  Try calling Friend Finder at the number below:  You&#8217;ll get a message that talks about how their &#8220;call volume is abnormally high.&#8221; Sounds like happy customers calling to let them know they love what they are getting.</p>
<p>Various Inc (parent company of Friend Finder)<br />
445 Sherman Ave., Ste. C<br />
Palo Alto, CA 94306<br />
Phone: 650-847-3100<br />
Fax: 650-324-9379<br />
Email: <a href="mailto:billing@friendfinderinc.com">billing@friendfinderinc.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Former Salon User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former Salon User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markus,

Are you talking about only 1% complaining about changes to your own site? Or Springstreet? 

All you have to do is read the blog comments before they are deleted, to get a sense of scale of the outcry. I didn&#039;t know about the complaints on the blogs before Springstreet/Salon staff told me about them. I doubt that the average user of the old site bothered with the blogs, so you don&#039;t see their complaints.

Staff at Salon and Nerve have been receiving a barrage of complaints, and what is more at least at Salon they are writing back. 

And if it weren&#039;t for a vocal few, I doubt we&#039;d have any of the civic rights we have in this country. Not to compare this situation to a civil rights struggle, but it is a vocal minority that forces social change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markus,</p>
<p>Are you talking about only 1% complaining about changes to your own site? Or Springstreet? </p>
<p>All you have to do is read the blog comments before they are deleted, to get a sense of scale of the outcry. I didn&#8217;t know about the complaints on the blogs before Springstreet/Salon staff told me about them. I doubt that the average user of the old site bothered with the blogs, so you don&#8217;t see their complaints.</p>
<p>Staff at Salon and Nerve have been receiving a barrage of complaints, and what is more at least at Salon they are writing back. </p>
<p>And if it weren&#8217;t for a vocal few, I doubt we&#8217;d have any of the civic rights we have in this country. Not to compare this situation to a civil rights struggle, but it is a vocal minority that forces social change.</p>
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		<title>By: nerve user</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerve user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Under the new model a monthly fee of ~$20 is needed to contact someone, plus if you want your profile to be viewed by non-paying members, you have to pay an additional $20/month.&lt;/i&gt;

Nope, you don&#039;t need to sign up for a Premium membership to contact people, you can just buy &quot;points&quot; which I think go for a rate of 200 points per dollar (the rate may depend on how many you buy at once, I&#039;m not sure), and it costs 200 points to contact someone--so it&#039;s just like the old credits system, basically. Also, you don&#039;t have to have a Premium membership for non-paying members to see your profile--just log in, you&#039;ll see that you can still view all the &quot;Standard&quot; (non-paying) member profiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Under the new model a monthly fee of ~$20 is needed to contact someone, plus if you want your profile to be viewed by non-paying members, you have to pay an additional $20/month.</i></p>
<p>Nope, you don&#8217;t need to sign up for a Premium membership to contact people, you can just buy &#8220;points&#8221; which I think go for a rate of 200 points per dollar (the rate may depend on how many you buy at once, I&#8217;m not sure), and it costs 200 points to contact someone&#8211;so it&#8217;s just like the old credits system, basically. Also, you don&#8217;t have to have a Premium membership for non-paying members to see your profile&#8211;just log in, you&#8217;ll see that you can still view all the &#8220;Standard&#8221; (non-paying) member profiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Average Moose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Average Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a post on Google&#039;s usenet (groups) 
 which indicates this has been a partnership at least since early January 2005 - it&#039;s an spam/abuse posting, but the date indicates early January, and you can see springstreet networks domain in the return address. Interesting. 

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=fastcupid&amp;hl=en

I wonder how long it will be until they change back? Or; When will the affiliates begin jumping? It looks like nyobserver.com is gone, gone, gone.

I feel FastCupid is taking most of the blame here, but, Nerve/SpringStreet did this to you - they agreed to the (terms undisclosed) &#039;deal&#039; with  FC, to make money for themselves - and to fuck you.

Never poke fun at a moose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a post on Google&#8217;s usenet (groups)<br />
 which indicates this has been a partnership at least since early January 2005 &#8211; it&#8217;s an spam/abuse posting, but the date indicates early January, and you can see springstreet networks domain in the return address. Interesting. </p>
<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=fastcupid&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/groups?q=fastcupid&#038;hl=en</a></p>
<p>I wonder how long it will be until they change back? Or; When will the affiliates begin jumping? It looks like nyobserver.com is gone, gone, gone.</p>
<p>I feel FastCupid is taking most of the blame here, but, Nerve/SpringStreet did this to you &#8211; they agreed to the (terms undisclosed) &#8216;deal&#8217; with  FC, to make money for themselves &#8211; and to fuck you.</p>
<p>Never poke fun at a moose.</p>
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		<title>By: disgruntled salon personals member</title>
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		<dc:creator>disgruntled salon personals member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A big problem for users will be the additional fees to be members.  Previously it cost about $1 to contact someone.  All profiles could be viewed by anyone.

Under the new model a monthly fee of ~$20 is needed to contact someone, plus if you want your profile to be viewed by non-paying members, you have to pay an additional $20/month. 

It is hard to see how many users will stick around - aside from the volume users and spammers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big problem for users will be the additional fees to be members.  Previously it cost about $1 to contact someone.  All profiles could be viewed by anyone.</p>
<p>Under the new model a monthly fee of ~$20 is needed to contact someone, plus if you want your profile to be viewed by non-paying members, you have to pay an additional $20/month. </p>
<p>It is hard to see how many users will stick around &#8211; aside from the volume users and spammers.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The site was a failure before they bought it, and at this point anything they do will probably make it more successful.   I wonder how many users are actually complaining?  Every time i change one little thing a tiny fraction of 1% makes a huge noise, you&#039;d think the sky was falling.   But the other 99.99% just don&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site was a failure before they bought it, and at this point anything they do will probably make it more successful.   I wonder how many users are actually complaining?  Every time i change one little thing a tiny fraction of 1% makes a huge noise, you&#8217;d think the sky was falling.   But the other 99.99% just don&#8217;t care.</p>
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